Live video stream: Watch Intelligence Squared U.S. and the Aspen Strategy Group debate ISIS in Aspen, Sunday at 4 p.m.

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President Obama said “ISIL can and will be defeated.” Is he right? And is that a realistic goal? On Aug. 9, Intelligence Squared U.S. and the Aspen Strategy Group will address America’s strategy with a debate on the motion “Containment Is Not Enough: ISIS Should Be Defeated.”

All four debaters are members of the Aspen Strategy Group, a bipartisan foreign policy group that includes legislators, experts, journalists, policy practitioners, members of academia, and business leaders. Arguing for the motion are former Under Secretary of Defense Michèle Flournoy and a former State Department Counselor Philip Zelikow. Arguing against the motion are former State Department Director of Policy Planning Anne-Marie Slaughter and former Defense Department Chief Financial Officer Dov Zakheim.

The debate will take place in front of a live audience in Aspen and stream live online.

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Shortly after, video will be posted online and it will air as part of the syndicated public radio show “Intelligence Squared U.S.” On Aug. 9, online viewers can tune in here ( or via IQ2US’s app (

Arguing for the motion:

* Michèle Flournoy: Co-Founder and CEO, CNAS & Fmr. Under Secretary of Defense

Michèle Flournoy is the co-founder and CEO of the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) and a senior adviser at the Boston Consulting Group. Formerly the under secretary of defense for policy (2009-2012), she was the principal adviser to the secretary of defense in the formulation of national security and defense policy, oversight of military plans and operations, and in NSC deliberations. She led the development of Department of Defense’s new Strategic Guidance and represented the DoD in dozens of foreign engagements, in the media, and before Congress.

* Philip Zelikow: Professor of History, UVA & Fmr. Counselor, Dept. of State

Philip Zelikow is the White Burkett Miller Professor of History at the University of Virginia and former dean of its graduate school. A career diplomat, Zelikow has served overseas and in Washington, including on the NSC staff under George H.W. Bush. In 2003-2004 he directed the 9/11 Commission, and in 2005-2007, he was the counselor of the Department of State. He has served on the President’s Intelligence Advisory Board, for George W. Bush and for Barack Obama, and is a consultant to the Office of the Secretary of Defense.

Arguing against the motion:

* Anne-Marie Slaughter: Pres. & CEO, New America Fdn. & Fmr. Dir. of Policy Planning, Dept. of State

Anne-Marie Slaughter is the president and CEO of the New America Foundation and a professor of Politics and International Affairs at Princeton University. From 2009 to 2011, she served as the director of Policy Planning for the Department of State, the first woman to hold that position. Prior to her government service, Slaughter was the dean of Princeton’s Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs and the J. Sinclair Armstrong Professor of International, Foreign, and Comparative Law at Harvard Law School. She has written or edited six books, including A New World Order and The Idea That Is America: Keeping Faith with Our Values in a Dangerous World.

* Dov Zakheim: Senior Advisor, CSIS & Fmr. Chief Financial Officer, Dept. of Defense

Dov Zakheim is senior advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and senior fellow at CNA Corp. Previously, he served as senior vice president of Booz Allen Hamilton, as under secretary of defense (comptroller) and chief financial officer for the Department of Defense, and as the DOD’s coordinator of civilian programs in Afghanistan. During the 2000 presidential campaign, he was a senior foreign policy advisor to then-Governor Bush. From 1985 to 1987, Zakheim was deputy under secretary of defense for planning and resources.

WHAT: Intelligence Squared U.S. Debates “Containment Is Not Enough: ISIS Must Be Defeated”

WHEN: Sunday, Aug. 9, 2015, 4 to 5:30 p.m.

WHERE: Paepcke Theater, 1000 North 3rd St.

TICKETS: $20. To purchase, visit


A non-partisan, nonprofit organization, Intelligence Squared U.S. was founded in 2006 to restore civility, reasoned analysis and constructive public discourse to today’s often biased media landscape. IQ2US reaches millions through multi-platform distribution, including radio, television, live streaming, podcasts and interactive digital content. It is one of the top 25 most popular podcasts on iTunes, and has won the 2014 Clarion Award for Radio Regular Feature Program and three consecutive 2013-2015 New York Festivals International Radio Awards for Best Public Affairs Program. The debates have attracted some of the world’s top thinkers, including Malcolm Gladwell, Steven Forbes, Dr. Neal Barnard, Arianna Huffington, Paul Krugman, and Karl Rove. With over 100 debates and counting, Intelligence Squared U.S. has encouraged the public to “think twice” on a wide range of provocative topics. Author and ABC News correspondent John Donvan has moderated IQ2US since 2008. The executive producer is Dana Wolfe.